i jus got dissfellowshiped at th last week..i feel like dying..i attended th meetings yesterday and ita ws jus horrible..came back home in tears....... people i used to cal my friends nw cant look me in the eye..so heartbroken confused and giving up on life !.
So good to see you are still with us
being a witness is all i hver known..my belifs affect by way of life...everting.wat and how i eat,recreate,seek companionship ,how i spend my free time,who i love ...th list is endless..
This should be telling you something Chichi...what are your own words telling you?
Oz
i wonder whether any of you took note of the article in the 12/15 study edition wt "the simplified watchtower .. why introduced" i couldn't believe they actually had the temerity to put such tripe into print and onto the record.. i was flat-out astonished with its put-down of vocabulary building and self-improvement:.
one egregious example: " the time spent looking up words and explaining expressions (ostensibly from the "smart people's" watchtower) is now spent gaining an understanding of the scriptures and how they fit into the lesson.".
one jw cited in the article actually blames her college education for causing her to fall into the bad habit of "speaking and thinking a way that was more complicated than necessary.
I can see a study article from the near future here...
''Welcome to todays watchtower lesson, lets have the first paragraph read''...
Paragraph 1: OBEY the Governing body.
Thankyou
Question for paragraph 1: WHO are you to OBEY?
yes brother clever?
We are to OBEY the Governing Body.
well, thats it for todays watchtowers study...wasn't that refreshingly to the point brothers and sisters''?
Oz
recently we had the 'privilege' of attending our local special assembly day.
the theme for this year was safeguard your conscience, and you guessed it, they looked up every reference to the word 'conscience' in the bible and then wrote a talk about each one.
it was most definitely a case of "pack your bags, we're going on a guilt trip.".
Workmates and social networking is also a way for our conscience to be harmed
uhh...I guess the outline omitted the fact that the WTBTS has a TWITTER account? S.O.C.I.A.L. N.E.T.W.O.R.K
I wonder how many in the audience would have had their conscience harmed by knowing that one?
Oz
former jehovah's elder on sex assault charge .
a former jehovah's witness elder who apologised to his alleged victim on facebook has been charged with two counts of indecent assault.
richard hill will appear in the heidelberg magistrate's court on march 1 over allegations that he sexually assaulted a six-year-old girl in 1981.. the victim, now 38, told fairfax media that mr hill did everything except penetrate her - ''he tried, but couldn't manage''.. she said she ''did not realise the gravity'' of what had happened until she was about 14.. at that point she told her mother, who could not act because of a jehovah's witness rule that allegations of sexual abuse would only be acted on if two elders witnessed it, she said.. much later, the victim confronted mr hill on facebook.
Oh, and good timing in Victoria eh?
oz
former jehovah's elder on sex assault charge .
a former jehovah's witness elder who apologised to his alleged victim on facebook has been charged with two counts of indecent assault.
richard hill will appear in the heidelberg magistrate's court on march 1 over allegations that he sexually assaulted a six-year-old girl in 1981.. the victim, now 38, told fairfax media that mr hill did everything except penetrate her - ''he tried, but couldn't manage''.. she said she ''did not realise the gravity'' of what had happened until she was about 14.. at that point she told her mother, who could not act because of a jehovah's witness rule that allegations of sexual abuse would only be acted on if two elders witnessed it, she said.. much later, the victim confronted mr hill on facebook.
Ans this may well be pertinant...
km10/72p.8QuestionBoxBox Whatismeantby"someyearsago"onpage170,paragraphtwo,inthe"Organization"book?
Question
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This indicates more than a year or two. It may be noted that it did not say "many years ago." So it is not an exact number of years, but more like two or three years. It was not intended to have a brother go back into the distant past to bring up wrongs of which he repented years ago and that have evidently been forgiven by Jehovah and are not being practiced now. In many cases the wrongs occurred prior to the time when the "Watchtower" drew attention to what the Scriptures say on such misconduct.
If a brother has been serving faithfully for some years and has seen evidence of Jehovah?s blessings upon him, why should he now step down from office? If he has the right viewpoint now on conduct and will give good counsel he should be able to continue to serve. If the local body of elders see that he has the respect of the congregation and has shown the proper qualifications over the last two or three years, he may remain in his position of service.
Must wrongdoing be brought to public attention after many years? The book (page 168) under "Public Reproof" quotes 1 Timothy 5:20 and mentions reproof of those who confess to committing more than one offense. But it really has to do with recent events. The "Interlinear" refers to those "sinning," something going on at the time. So if repentance occurred some years ago, three years ago or more, and sinning ceased, and he is respected by the congregation, it is not necessary now to publicly reprove one who committed more than one offense "some years ago."
So he gets to abuse a girl, either repent or say nothing...'Holy spirit' has him become an elder. shit hits fan 32 years later, steps down...If he and the elder body are so damn sure of holy spirit they should keep him on then
Oz
i was recently speaking to an elder "off the record" while helping him do some house repairs.
i have a comfortable enough relationship to speak openly with him about things, but am careful to disclose the extent of my disbelief in wt doctrine.
anyway, this guy wouldn't last a day in the mafia because he can't keep anything confidential.
careful
he might be fishing you
oz
because of "religious" differences, she now wants me to move out and "separate"...i said what biblical grounds does she have for her request?.
she couldnt respond...she said she'd rather be beaten up by me than have an "apostate" in the house.... this org definitely encourages conditional love.... i don't know what to do...by the way, we dont have children.
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Zip the lip about TTABTT and inform her that she has no grounds to scripturly move out. even less so if you do not hinder her JW activity in anyway.
oz
i jus got dissfellowshiped at th last week..i feel like dying..i attended th meetings yesterday and ita ws jus horrible..came back home in tears....... people i used to cal my friends nw cant look me in the eye..so heartbroken confused and giving up on life !.
You will be more welcome here than you ever will be in a kingdom hall.
here, it does not matter what you do in life nor what you believe
there, they only 'love' you when you do and think exactly what you are told.
Yes you are heartbroken but you will mend, do not die. If you had 'worldly' friends before, you can get more. Let me tell you a liitle about my life. I was disfellowshipped, i lost my wife, rarely saw my children and every friend i ever had made in 30 years. I had to start again with not one single person who was a friend. I went out and found true friends. It did not happen overnight, it took quite a while. I never went back to a kingdom hall again.
You must get it out of your head that you are a sinner. Sin is an outdated notion used by religion to control peoples minds and actions, you are 'normal' and desire normal things, such as the relationship with your Boyfriend.
You will note almost no support here for going back to the Jehovahs Witnesses, pretty much all on here have seen the Watchtower society for what they are.
You should use this time to learn about the real watchtower...
Oz
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/child-in-jehovahs-witness-court-bid-20130217-2elcg.htmlchild in jehovah's witness court bid.
february 18, 2013barney zwartza traralgon child has clubbed his pocket money together with three others, paying $69.70 to launch a private criminal prosecution against the jehovah's witnesses.. the child, 11, who is due to give evidence on monday at the state inquiry into how the churches handled child sex abuse, wanted to force the church to comply with working with children laws.
after four hearings, to which church leaders did not send a representative, the church began complying and the office of public prosecutions intervened to discontinue the case.. the inquiry will also hear from anti-jehovah's witness campaigner steven unthank, a former member of the church who says he and his family were ostracised and persecuted after he tried to tackle child abuse.. his submission alleges the church and its incorporated body, the watchtower society, covered up criminal child abuse, including rape, sexual assault, death threats, blackmail and assault, across four states by ordained ministers and officers of the church.. advertisementthe victorian and civil administrative tribunal will hear a religious vilification complaint against the church by mr unthank in may, after the church said people who left the church, as he had, were ''mentally diseased''.. and the victorian health services commissioner is investigating a complaint by another former gippsland church member that a jehovah's witness chaplain was found alone without permission with a naked toddler in a room at latrobe regional hospital.. the child appearing today, who cannot be named, has asked the inquiry to determine whether the church's failure to get working with children checks between july 2008 and december 2011 amounted to criminal child abuse of all 6160 jehovah's witness children in victoria.. he asks why the government and police let the church ''get away with'' non-compliance, and whether the state will help file a class action against the church.. the submission suggests the 2000 jehovah's witnesses who worked with children were committing criminal offences each week.
sigh...i used to like Vincent, now I just see a toole.
interesting way of getting the media attention: CHILDREN taking class action.
very intersting, and i hope the forum is not smothered by 'please explains' by people who dont get how australia's legal system is different to theirs...just keep your eye on it.
Oz
my experience, and shame on me.
in a snowstorm in pa on a highway, i ran out of gas.. this was one of many mistakes for the evening.
the general rule is that a person should stay in the car and wait for help.
Several times, the most memorable was of course the last one.. I had just visited my son at his caravan park and drove off to come home. The narrow bitumen road crosses one of the busiest roads in the area, nothing but a stop sign. i knew this road well, had used it for years every day, drove up and doen the smaller road many times...
and you might guess what happens next...
Yes, at dusk, daydreaming after seeing the lad, doing about 80kph i went straight accross that main road and never felt even a bump from one road surface to the next. What i do remember was the flash of red tail lights wizzing by in my rear veiw mirror.
It then dawned on me what i had just done. I had crossed the main south road, in peak hour going home traffic that does 110kph and gone inbetween all the vehicles like in some super corregraphed hollywood movie. It did a U turn and was almost physically sick, almost vomited at the what could have been.
I crawled up to the intersection and watched the semi trailers, cars and motorbikes fly by, i had to waith several minutes for a gap long enough to pull out into. That was the closest i think i have ever been i must say. And it chilled me to the bone to think of all the families that would have lost loved ones had i even clipped so much as one vehicle in my stupidity.
Oz
